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by Peter Newman
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That is the most idiotic piece I have ever read. Filled with blatant lies and racism.What lies? Are you suggesting it didn't happen?
That is a very brief comment from Rooster of Galway. Only generalisations without substantiation. It can be admitted that the article has a certain *all-or-nothing polarity* , which excludes full consideration of the context of the Staters' actions. The anti-government forces at the time were not exactly playing a game of cricket. The Staters had been left rudderless by the death of Michael Collins, the architect of the treaty, and they were then left to fend for themselves, having been saddled with the responsibility of establishing the permitted fledgling Free State. Apart from that, Kerry was bandit country at the time, and what happened there is best analysed in terms of human psychology.
I have to agree with majority of replies to your 'essay'. While its well written and very prosaic, it twists history, it does not revise, or amend history. Your method of historical analysis appears to be just flights of fancy rather than a re-appraisal of the events. By your example we could call the Zionist Stern and Irgun gangs, and the Israeli state, Nazis. Do they not kill/murder/intern their fellow countrymen?. Did they not also kill/murder/terrorise their fellow Jews before,during and after WWII?. Do you know of the SS Patria?.
Sadly I think all humanity has the ability to persecute and murder then own when certain situations arise. I like many other Australians are of Irish descent, my family came to Australia to escape the Potato Famine, and our history and the treatment of local Aboriginals people is a shame we have to live with.
The lovely old english made dublin the second capital of the empire then all they bloody do is develop a fascist state then commit acts worse or to the same degree as the lovely old english then cover it up, blame the english for everything. despite a few presents such as an economy and all those inventions. winston churchill even offered to grant ireland independence (including northern ireland) years before. Does anybody like double standards? can't stay mad at ireland for long though really, george bernard shaw, oscar wilde and the other one i always forget are great.
"he systematic execution of innocent prisoners to retaliate against military action by anti-government forces is one of those nazi characteristics"Refer to the incident in Croke Park, November 21, 1920. 14 innocent people were killed at Croke Park during a match between Tipperary and Dublin by British army auxiliaries
Grossly exaggerated at best, almost delusional at worst, especially in the assumed connection between events in Ireland and in National-Socialist Germany.
But if Irishmen can do that to other Irishmen.... where does that leave us? If it happened in Ireland during those terrible ten months, it can happen anywhere.
Just back from Cork - my Aunt and Uncle sought to purge me of my "Englishness" by interminable ranting about Black and Tans, famine, etc then I mentioned Hitler and it came out that he was ok! Just us biased English who don't like him, he only wanted his country strong again like the rebels did - someone in the village had wanted their son christened "Adolf" at the time too! I've had so much abuse from the Irish over the years, either just for the accent or for being a "plastic paddy" - why do you think there are less and less of them? Ireland is a bitter small-minded nation, England has it's shames but all in all has 1000 times more to be proud of than Ireland - you can keep it!Well said Sean.The Irish are unfortunately, in general, about 50 years behind in terms of Western Evolution and need an education over-hall if they are to increase their natural intelligence.The country is destined to produce an abundance of ill-educated, nationalistic, right wing tarmacers and scaffolders, much like the British working class, unless it decides to move forward and not bitch endlessly about the past and how 'Its the fault of the British' over and over.
The Ballyseedy Cross monument says it all.Irishmen did this to other Irishmen.It can happen anywhere, if circumstances prompt it.What does this say about the human condition?
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